There are many lessons to be learned from the deposition Paula Deen gave in May, 2012, during a lawsuit filed against her for sexual/racial harassment lawsuit.
Interrogated by Matthew C. Billips, the attorney for the plaintiff, Lisa Jackson, Deen responded as follows:
Q. Now, does [your brother’s] sense of humor include telling jokes about matters of a sexual nature?
A. We have all told off-colored jokes.
Q. Okay. Does his sense of humor include telling jokes of a racial nature?
A. I’m sure those kind of jokes have been told. Every man I’ve ever come in contact with has one.
Mistake #3: Deen acknowledged that off-color jokes were told in her workplace, and that she was clearly aware of it.
Mistake #4: Deen made light of the telling of jokes that the vast majority of employers would not tolerate in their workplaces.
Q. Okay. Miss Deen, have you told racial jokes?
A. No, not racial.
Q. Okay, have you ever used the N-word yourself?
A. Yes, of course.
Mistake #5: She knew that the charge of racial discrimination stood at the very heart of the lawsuit facing her.
Yet, when asked if she had ever used the “N-word,” she replied, “Yes, of course,” as if this were the most natural thing in the world.
Q. Okay. In what context?
A. Well, it was probably when a black man burst into the bank that I was working at and put a gun to my head.
Q. Okay, and what did you say?
A. Well, I don’t remember, but the gun was dancing all around my temple. I didn’t…feel real favorable towards him.
Q. Okay. Well, did you use the N-word to him as he pointed a gun in your head at your face?
A. Absolutely not.
Q. Well, then, when did you use it?
A. Probably in telling my husband.
Mistake #6: What is discussed between husband and wife is protected legally as marital privilege. Her attorney should have objected and told her not to answer the question.
If she had not admitted to using it privately with her husband, she might not have been asked if she had used it since then.
Q, Okay. Have you used it [the “N-word”] since then?
A. I’m sure I have, but it’s been a very long time.
Mistake #7: Having admitted she used it in the past, she compounds her mistake by admitting she had used it since.
Mistake #8: There is an entirely legal way to avoid incriminating oneself–and being prosecuted for perjury. It’s contained in the words: “Not that I can recall.”
Q. Can you remember the context in which you have used the N-word?
A. No.
Q. Has it occurred with sufficient frequency that you cannot recall all of the various context in which you’ve used it?
A. No.
Q. Well, then tell me the other context in which you’ve used the N-word.
A. I don’t know, maybe in repeating something that was said to me.
Q. Like a joke?
A No, probably a conversation between blacks. I don’t–I don’t know.
Mistake #9: The vast majority of restaurant kitchens are staffed by blacks or Hispanics, whose exchanges are often obscene and homophobic.
If Deen had said she had quoted such a conversation between employees, she could have legitimately claimed she did so entirely for the sake of accuracy.
She could have blamed them for using the N”-word,” and cast herself strictly in the role of reporter.
Q. Okay.
A. But that’s just not a word that we use as time has gone on. Things have changed since the 60s in the South. And my children and my brother object to that word being used in any cruel or mean behavior.
Q. Okay.
A. As well as I do.
Q. Are you aware that your brother has admitted to using that word at work?
A. I don’t know about that.
Mistake #10: She had previously admitted to attending her brother’s deposition, where he admitted to, among other offenses, using the N-word in the workplace.
So this is a direct contradiction of her earlier admission.
Q Okay. Now, if you had learned of Mr. Hiers engaging in racially or sexually inappropriate behavior in the workplace, what, if any, actions would you have taken?
A. I certainly would have addressed it.
Mistake #11: Previously she had been asked: “Did any of the things that your brother admitted to doing, including…using the N-word in the workplace, did any of that conduct cause you to have any concerns about him continuing to operate the business?”
And she had replied: “No.” So this amounts to yet another contradiction.
Q. Have you ever addressed Mr. Hiers’ racially or sexually inappropriate conduct?
A. No.
Mistake #12: She admitted to having learned about her brother’s use of the “N-word” in the workplace–and then admitted to having never addressed it.
Q. And you are aware of his admitting to engaging in racially and sexually inappropriate behavior in the workplace in his deposition in this case?
A. No.
Mistake #12: This directly contradicts her previous admission that she had learned of his engaging in such behavior during his deposition.
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PAULA DEEN’S REAL LAGACY: PART THREE (END)
In Bureaucracy, Business, Law, Social commentary on April 16, 2014 at 12:38 amIn 2012, Celebrity Chef Paula Deen was sued by a former employee for sexual/racial harassment. For Deen, the deposition she filed in May, 2013, proved to be the worst mistake of her life.
Interrogated by Matthew C. Billips, the attorney for the plaintiff, Lisa Jackson, Deen responded as follows:
Q. Are you aware of [your brother, Earl “Bubba” Hiers] admitting that he engaged in racially and sexually inappropriate behavior in the workplace?
A. I guess. Q. Okay.
A. If I was sitting here I would have heard it.
Mistake #13: She admits once again to having been apprised of her brother’s offensive behavior.
Earl “Bubba” Hiers
Q. Okay. Well, have you done anything about what you heard him admit to doing?
A. My brother and I have had conversations. My brother is not a bad person. Do humans behave inappropriately? At times, yes.
I don’t know one person that has not. My brother is a good man. Have we told jokes? Have we said things that we should not have said, that–yes, we all have. We all have done that, every one of us.
Mistake #14: She admitted to having talked with her brother about his offensive behavior–but she did not say she did anything to stop it or punish him for it.
Q. You said you have had such conversations with [your brother]. When did you do so?
A. When Karl told me he was stealing, I addressed that with Bubba.
Q. And as a result of Mr. Hiers stealing, he received a pay increase and the money he had taken was recharacterized as wages, is that correct?
A. I don’t know how it was settled. I know that Karl was paying Lisa Jackson more than my brother was being paid, so if there was a salary increase, it would have been long overdue.
Mistake #15: She admitted that even though she learned that one of her employees was stealing from her, she had nevertheless retained him.
Speaking of her employee, Karl Schumacher, Deen said:
A. Karl is the most judgmental person I know. And out of every team member on our team, he is certainly the most prejudice.
Mistake #16: She admitted that she had retained an employee who was openly prejudiced toward a wide range of people.
MackWorks, a business consulting firm, conducted an investigation of Uncle Bubba’s, which was owned by her brother, Earl “Bubba” Hiers. A
. I didn’t read the report.
Q. Okay. And what, if any, investigation have you done to determine if it is your brother who is lying, as opposed to Miss Jackson and Mr. Schumacher and the people at MackWorks?
A. I know my brother. I know his character. If I ask him something, he would not lie to me, nor would I to him. There was nothing to investigate.
Mistake #18: After an independent consulting firm gives her a scathing report about her brother’s restaurant, she didn’t read it.
Mistake #19: She admitted she didn’t read it.
Mistake #20: She admitted she took no action to discover the truth for herself: “There was nothing to investigate.”
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But clearly she was running a dysfunctional operation–replete with alcoholism, racial prejudice, sexual harassment and theft.
Much has been made of Deen’s serving as an ambassador of Southern culture and cooking.
But if only some of the accusations made against her hold up, she must also serve as an ambassador of a South decent Americans want to forget–and forever put behind them.
That was definitely an era when blacks knew their place–which was as slaves in the kitchens or fields of the Southern planter class who owned them.
According to Jackson, those are the days Deen would love to return to.
Deen has given lip service to knowing that the days of Southern racism are past. But according to the complaint filed against her by her former employee, Lisa Jackson, that past remained very much alive:
Many of Deen’s supporters have claimed she is the victim of anti-Southern prejudice. But the truth appears that only in the South could she have run so gigantic and lucrative an empire for so long in such prejucial and dysfunctional fashion.
The wonder is not that the Food Network refused to renew her contract after June, 2013. The wonder is that she has managed to stay in business this long.
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